Racing Quality

Stewards do not give penalties at all, they document and advise. FIA members give fair and unbiased critique on incidents or they do not participate at all.

We clearly do not have incidents every time, and if you believe the racing has been boring and predictable you clearly have not been watching any of the highlights. I can think of at least three races in both divisions where a race has been decided on the final lap, or final few laps. It is closer now than it has ever been.

Yeah i knew someone would say that but look at it this way to many people are moaning about incidents, and its them that cause them.

 And if you read my message again it says FIA member and as you and stevo who think he is the best at doing things havnt done nothing since i left. I came back me and moody always did FIA if there was 2 of us because it needs to be done  .

Im sick of people who think they know everything but dont put enough effort in telling me im wrong when i gave every thing i had into this league just to be treated like a piece of shit.

Maybe if you had been treated like i have on this site you would understand why i want the best out of everyone that is why i am so blunt in what i say tell them the truth its better than telling them they are doing ok when they are clearley doing stuff wrong.

You what?!? I can't think of one al2 race this season I've been part of that you can call "boring and predictable"

As for a blanket bollocking of every driver still here I find this slightly offensive. I've been in numerous wheel to wheel battles with most, if not all, of the field in al2 this season and with one exception (that was apologised for) I personally have had no issues.

WS your post is a joke, "all the driving has gone downhill", "I will give severe penalties", "boring & predictable", i dont know what happened to you on this site but it really sounds like you just like to "hear the sound of your own voice" & get yourself involved in everything whether you should or not, maybe that's why you were treated like a "piece of shite eh"? your ranting in news & announcements is as bad as Blood & Philip in Appeals, get a grip man & deal with what you really mean in the meeting, "not where everyone could see it anyway". Fair?

If you have to insult people to get their attention, then you're just as bad as they are. You baited every driver on the site. I am severely disappointed.

I told you when you came back to come to me in PM's if you had any issues.

No, it probably wouldn't have stopped based on that, but now we've got that arguing and this additional arguing. You may find it hard to believe, but I'm on top of the Blood/Phillip situation, and had already planned on how to handle it.

It hasn't proved anything. Neither of them are in this thread. You've just managed to annoy Tallboy, Dastardly and myself so far.

I think alot of what Mike has said has been taken out of context really. I think when he said races are "boring & predictable" he really meant the incidents that happen every week, not that good respectable racing between drivers has been boring & predictable obviously it hasnt & there has been quite a few credible battles in this league & the site overall.

I would like to say this however, there have been too many incidents where drivers in particular rely way too much on drs to overtake rather than learn to stick within lets say 5 tenths of the driver ahead & not end up just about getting drs & lunging into a gap that doesn't exist by the time they get there, that ofcourse needs to stop & would lead to more respectable racing i think.

I agree  "moaning & whining" has been a problem & would help for a start if drivers (one or two in particular) admitted responsibility for their actions rather than aggrevate the situation with the person they took out even when theres evidence. Also it would help a great deal if 2 drivers in particular called an engineer out to sort there invisible lagg out so they stop causing severe collisions mid straight or pushing drivers off track or into walls & taking wings off would be a great help  etc. no one call me a hipocrite here i had a very bad visible lagg issue in F1 2011 & got my dad to call up BT & i & of cause my dad made the effort so why not others?

As for Penalties i'm sure Mike did mean as an FiA member he would put forward 'harsh penalties" to be decided on not for him to make the final decision obviously.

As for anything else ie replied to Mike, its not my place to comment.

Even if that was the intention, which I don't doubt it wasn't. It was still a really bad way of going about it that has accomplished nothing other than more anger.

But when your nice to people they dont care, .
You have to be nasty to be nice mate as its the only way people listen to what gets said.

It wasn't and still isn't your call to make. You went over Stevo's and my head and did your own thing with no knowledge of what had already happened or what was planned to happen.

Stevo already knew. I was in a lobby with him when you returned, as did Dastardly. You knew full well what was going on regarding a meeting this evening.

I don't see how any of your OP relates to that either. It still does't change the fact that it wasn't your call. You are not a mod. There is nothing you can say to justify the fact you have gone over our heads and posted a rant on the site, without knowing what was even going on from our side.

Yep, that's exactly what I said. Keep doing that, twitsting what people say and missing the point.

But you know, how's about you trust me. I have never given you any shit and backed you up on multiple occasions, be it in FIA or when UD or whoever was giving you shit on chat.

Also, if you want people to take you seriously, this is hardly the way to go about it.

For the record I more or less completely agree with what you said, however it is your methods that I object to.

And no, my say does not go. So far every decision on the site that I have made has had a discussion thread made about it so that people can decide. I haven't made a single decision to my knowledge without first putting it out there for the people to discuss.

I have openly made a thread asking for more people to get involved with the running of the site.

rabbit rabbit rabbit rabbit WS, give it a rest, its not applicable m8, go smoke a banana skin or something.

Without wishing to stoke the fire more than necessary I still maintain the poor driving standards that are occasionally on display are a direct result of the non-action taken by the FIA at the start of the season, it set a precedent that that was acceptable due to no action being taken other than the ridiculous you have a warning point. I also realise that it's not a popular job and no one wants to have to make decisions that impacts someone else and have the potential abuse that comes with it when a decision goes against a friend for example but someone has to do it otherwise it's just another online public lobby massacre each week, hell I said I would happily help out and no meeting has taken place since, almost a month ago.

I'm also not saying that every incident has to be punished as they need to be judged on merit as and when they happen and there are at times things like lag and glitches involved i.e me and Marc in Canada. However I lost count of the appeal videos I alone have posted and still no action was taken and at times it was the result of a repeat offender. This also isn't me saying I'm perfect and everyone else drives like a tosser, I've made plenty of mistakes and would accept the punishment that came with it. I even punished myself in season 2 with a quali ban when I took out dastardly at Korea because the FIA did nothing when they should have done.

I also realise that not everyone records and in those instances it amazes me that an appeal is even raised as nothing can be solved without footage to back up a claim. I don't want to record but have to just to show what happens. At the end of the day if someone wishes to appeal then record your race, you don't need fancy technology, I use an iPad and surely in this day and age everyone has a mobile phone which has a record function. It only really needs to record long enough to cover the first few laps as after that everyones usually in a position where their pace and ability dictates their placing and there aren't as many incidents. The last thing that should happen is the abusing of each other in the appeal threads, ultimately a post of the incident is enough. Personally I would punish those that continue to abuse and name call others in these threads going forward as that behaviour is unacceptable in any walk of life.

Anyway this is far too long of a post and like I said at the start I don't wish to cause further arguments with my post but at the end of the day we all need to take responsibility for our actions in the race and realise how it might impact others. The reason we all joined was to enjoy racing with like minded racing enthusiasts without the Armageddon that's comes with online lobbies.

I'm really starting to lose my patience on the subject now.

You hadn't said anything other than that you had returned, so how the hell do you know you would have been ignored? You didn't even try. I told you to send me a PM if you had any issues for a reason. Maybe if you had have actually thought for a second about consequences of what would happen and sent me a messasge airing your concerns, then this coupld have been completely avoided.

Also, I for one have never ignored you, especially not about something pertanent to the site, so why do you think I would suddenly start now?